Amway Global Accreditation: transformation or a sad joke?

[TB 2 IBO]

I think it's true that "residual" and "passive" income have been used too liberally in meeting and seminars. However, we do/can earn residual income from the Amway business, don't we?

AJ,
Glad you had a great weekend! Alan and Michelle are great speakers and tell it as it is!

Amway Global has encouraged us to use the term "ongoing income". For me it is potato or potato (spoken differently like po-todd-o)

The corp does not want to portray the picture of get in, do nothing, make money with no legitimate effort.

[stickshark]

Had some "spare" time this morning, so did a brief reading of IBOFB blog.

Regarding the talk from the Bob Mc.... I haven't listened to it, and if I did I would likely agree with his thoughts as I have listened to a handful of tapes from him in the past and found them very helpful.

However the point raised by IBOFB is it appropriate to have this talk on a business session / business meeting. I am assuming that this tape is from an "open" meeting, that is to everyone in the line of sponsorship. If this was a platinum and above meeting then I would expect that the leaders would have the sense to think through his talk and figure out what bits were relevant and what wasn't.

But back to the topic..... It is interesting to note that IBOFB talks about the two camps, those who think it ok, and those who do not. Does not seem to be any middle ground. There seems to be a lot or parrells between this issue and the following book that I read over the Chirstmas period. The book was:

UnChristian - what a new generation really thinks about Christianity..... and why it matters. By David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons from the Barna Group

A quite google search will pull up heaps of reviews if you want to know what the specifics of the book is.

This book is written from an American perspective from American research data. The Barna group is a statistic gathering / research group, so this book is backed up by lots of data, not speculation. Even though it is focused on American culture which is very different to down under, it is still a very interesting and thought provoking reading. I would highly recommend it.

At its simplest form this book is about how about how there is a disconnect between Christianity and the American culture. It is like Christianity lives in this bubble and people inside the bubble are happy and think this is "normal" life. However those outside the bubble look at the Christains and see it as "werid." Now the real kicker is that the behaviors that are considered "normal" by Christains in the bubble are actually UnChristian!

For more specifics go read a good review of buy the book.

Now is this related to the topic at hand?

Some LOA's / Groups / People in the Amway business live in this bubble. And go about their business in way that people who look at them do not agree with there outlook. In this case political outlook. To those inside the bubble this is normal and good. However when outsiders look in they see stuff they don't like. And the Amway message gets confused in all this. Becuase the people outside the bubble look in and say Amway people are behaving in a way that I find offensive, they mix in their mind Amway and offensive behavior. Just like in the book Christians in the bubble get labeled with UnChristain brush. It is not so much the principles that are the problem, it is how they are expressed..... and they are expressed at a subconcious level, that is people in the bubble don't even know they are doing anything wrong, because they can't evaluate the bubble they are in. Same principle as fish can't tell you about water, because they are aways in it, and don't notice it.

This concept is rather difficult to explain using words. I hope that nobody gets hung up on the expressions I might have used. I highly recommend you get the book, read it with Amway in mind..... it is far more eloquent and thought through that my ramblings!

[Ros]

I think it's true that "residual" and "passive" income have been used too liberally in meeting and seminars. However, we do/can earn residual income from the Amway business, don't we?

AJ,
Glad you had a great weekend! Alan and Michelle are great speakers and tell it as it is!

Amway Global has encouraged us to use the term "ongoing income". For me it is potato or potato (spoken differently like po-todd-o)

The corp does not want to portray the picture of get in, do nothing, make money with no legitimate effort.

Good points.

I was taught by my upline, when explaining the incomes and bonuses paid through the sales & marketing plan, including the so called "passive, residual ongoing income" bonuses (Leadership bonus, Emerald and Diamond bonus, etc...) it's important to point out that these incomes and bonuses are only paid when the volume in those groups continue to qualify at those levels. Additionally, you will also need to qualify with a minimum side volume.

No promises of getting rich for doing nothing.

Yet people will still hear what they want to.

- Ros

[MichMan]

I was taught by my upline, when explaining the incomes and bonuses paid through the sales & marketing plan, including the so called "passive, residual ongoing income" bonuses (Leadership bonus, Emerald and Diamond bonus, etc...) it's important to point out that these incomes and bonuses are only paid when the volume in those groups continue to qualify at those levels. Additionally, you will also need to qualify with a minimum side volume.
No promises of getting rich for doing nothing.

Yet people will still hear what they want to.

- Ros

Good point.

I can't tell you how many times I heard a Diamond show the plan and say something like....

"Our upline So-and-so has a business that does hundreds of millions of dollars per year. His sponsor quit and is now missing out of 4 percent of all that volume."

[Ros]

I was taught by my upline, when explaining the incomes and bonuses paid through the sales & marketing plan, including the so called "passive, residual ongoing income" bonuses (Leadership bonus, Emerald and Diamond bonus, etc...) it's important to point out that these incomes and bonuses are only paid when the volume in those groups continue to qualify at those levels. Additionally, you will also need to qualify with a minimum side volume.
No promises of getting rich for doing nothing.

Yet people will still hear what they want to.

- Ros

Good point.

I can't tell you how many times I heard a Diamond show the plan and say something like....

"Our upline So-and-so has a business that does hundreds of millions of dollars per year. His sponsor quit and is now missing out of 4 percent of all that volume."

Obviously the Diamond was speaking in generalities, and I’m assuming when he says the sponsor quit, he means the sponsor quit before his downline’s business volume grew to 7,500 PV (25%) or more.

And as the Diamond would know, the sponsor (we’ll call him sponsor A) can only receive the 4% Leadership Bonus (or a part of it) on his downline’s 25% volume if he also has the minimum side volume of 2,500 PV or more.

In addition, sponsor A would only receive the 4% Leadership Bonus calculated on those volumes that qualify for his Leadership Bonus. Which means, if there are other sponsors (B, C, D) downline in the same leg who each qualify for their own 25% Leadership Bonus, then they each receive their 4% Leadership Bonus, and those volumes are not calculated into sponsor A’s 4% Leadership bonus. Though sponsor A may qualify for other bonuses in addition to the 4% Leadership Bonus.

In either case, the cafeteria window is closed, there’s no free lunch.

- Ros