Frequently asked questions

[Deb]

I bet if you took the combined Amway incomes from Diamond groups it would far outweigh the total income generated from the system.

Of course it would - because believe it or not - not everyone is tied into a "system".

And yes, I'm always offering MY opinions. If you choose to think I'm an idiot, that's OK. Biased?. OK, too.

But my opinions are based on:
50 years of living with Amway
11 years of running a huge Emeraldship
10+ years of communicating with people who've been screwed by people they wanted to trust
Direct communication with important people at the Corp/IBOAI/IBOs. I live in Amwayland and know people who are very prominent in the Corp. My Grandfather was the President of the Board of Directors for the ADA (IBOAI forerunner) for 12 years - and I don't even know how long my mother was the Executive Director to the ADA. A long time, for sure. So I have heard many, MANY things that I'm not at liberty to discuss - but hellyes, they've certainly influenced my outlook on things.

[Deb]

TIF and TEAM have not been honest as to why Quixtar/Amway had a problem with their tool setup. They cherry-picked the facts, and left out the damning stuff, leaving people to believe that they were trying to be so honest and above board, and it's the evil Quixtar/Amway that were the shady characters.

LOL!! *I* saw the facts, and it filled 4"-thick binders

[Deb]

But looking back I don't think that any amount of tinkering with the system will fix it.

It needs to be scrapped altogether.

You know, for years, this was my mantra. I mean, our business ran just fine without BSMs - and many of the largest Pins built their businesses without BSMs, also. But when I met with Jody - that was one of the things I asked him, since surely his Dad's LOS had been built before the advent of the "systems". I asked "why do you need tools" and his answer was "to keep in touch with my downline in far-flung places and to keep a consistent quality to what is taught"

I thought about that for a bit - and it makes sense.

And if he makes money off an arena filled with cheering IBOs - that's fine by me - as long as those people understand that he makes money off it; and they weren't coerced into attending/didn't miss someone's birthday/wedding/etc. Of course, I suspect Jody's income from product sales far outweighs his tool income....LOL!!

[TB 2 IBO]

Of course it would - because believe it or not - not everyone is tied into a "system".

In my example, what I meant to say is that an entire team under a diamond, that has multiple diamonds in it plus many other people, ALL participating in the system. Their total combined Amway income would far outweigh that of the tool income. Hope that made sense.

And yes, I'm always offering MY opinions. If you choose to think I'm an idiot, that's OK. Biased?. OK, too.

I don't think you are an idiot by any means. Biased? Yes I believe it, which is a huge (or was) a huge problem for you adjusting to the new direction Amway and many systems and IBOs seem to be taking.

But my opinions are based on:
50 years of living with Amway
11 years of running a huge Emeraldship
10+ years of communicating with people who've been screwed by people they wanted to trust
Direct communication with important people at the Corp/IBOAI/IBOs. I live in Amwayland and know people who are very prominent in the Corp. My Grandfather was the President of the Board of Directors for the ADA (IBOAI forerunner) for 12 years - and I don't even know how long my mother was the Executive Director to the ADA. A long time, for sure. So I have heard many, MANY things that I'm not at liberty to discuss - but hellyes, they've certainly influenced my outlook on things.

Congratulations. However, I would ask one question. In what decade were you running this business? It would seem it was a awhile ago??? Pre Quixtar even?? If that is the case, then your experience in today's Amway has about as much relevance as the new 100PV IBO. In fact, I think your experience, again my questions above withstanding, would actually set you behind today's 100PV IBO, as you would have much more negative to overcome your lack of belief in the Amway business or the system.

[MichMan]

my opinions are based on:
50 years of living with Amway
11 years of running a huge Emeraldship
10+ years of communicating with people who've been screwed by people they wanted to trust
Direct communication with important people at the Corp/IBOAI/IBOs. I live in Amwayland and know people who are very prominent in the Corp. My Grandfather was the President of the Board of Directors for the ADA (IBOAI forerunner) for 12 years - and I don't even know how long my mother was the Executive Director to the ADA. A long time, for sure. So I have heard many, MANY things that I'm not at liberty to discuss - but hellyes, they've certainly influenced my outlook on things.

your experience in today's Amway has about as much relevance as the new 100PV IBO. In fact, I think your experience, again my questions above withstanding, would actually set you behind today's 100PV IBO.

Wow. That's pretty arrogant.

[Deb]

Biased? Yes I believe it, which is a huge (or was) a huge problem for you adjusting to the new direction Amway and many systems and IBOs seem to be taking.

Not a huge problem - I was just skeptical at first because I'd "heard it all before". But when I became aware of the encouragement ($$$) and enforcement aspects of Accreditation, I realize it IS different. And I really AM a huge supporter of this group of IBOs - I love 'em to pieces!

However, I would ask one question. In what decade were you running this business? It would seem it was a awhile ago??? Pre Quixtar even?? If that is the case, then your experience in today's Amway has about as much relevance as the new 100PV IBO. In fact, I think your experience, again my questions above withstanding, would actually set you behind today's 100PV IBO, as you would have much more negative to overcome your lack of belief in the Amway business or the system.

I ran the business from '93 to 2003, when it was sold, so I went through the whole transition into Quixtar. According to our Platinum Index in 2003, our "numbers" far exceeded anything Amway put out for the "average IBO". I usually sold about 100-200 PV in retail sales personally each month.

And one thing I guarantee - I have NEVER lacked belief in the Amway Corporation. Angry at them sometimes, yes. But almost all my life, my life has been intertwined with Amway; Amway employees/Amway IBOs/ even a few Amway OWNERS. And there's never been anything negative about ANY of them.

Please don't make assumptions about me?

[ajgannon]

Deb, I think it's awesome that you have chosen to take the time to contribute here. I find your demeanor quite open-minded. I don't think you're "stuck in the negativity of the past." Otherwise, you wouldn't bother posting here, and giving us IBOs compliments on how we are running our businesses (based on what we say).

[ajgannon]

IMO one of the key problems with the Britt/Yager system setups in the past was that the payouts were based not on BSM volume, which would naturally fluctuate with group size and Amway volume, but on "ever achieved" pin level. In a volume based setup, if your Amway business shrinks, your BSM volume shrinks and so does your BSM rebate percentage. In a "pin" based system, if your Amway business shrinks, your BSM volume may shrink, but the percentage stays the same - once a Diamond always a Diamond - this means that if your Amway business shrinks then the BSM income automatically becomes an increasingly larger percentage of your income, so even if initially the Amway income was the most important, it may not stay that way. B/Y was moving away from that system, I don't know if it's happened completely or not. Other issues of course came with all the different back room deals and people getting skipped over etc etc. It was those shenanigans that lead to most of the lawsuits.

The BSM income (for the Yager Group) is now based on volume, not on "highest ever achieved pin level". IBOs at the Gold level and above get to participate in the BSM income plan.

[Wearyeyed]

Biased? Yes I believe it, which is a huge (or was) a huge problem for you adjusting to the new direction Amway and many systems and IBOs seem to be taking.

Not a huge problem - I was just skeptical at first because I'd "heard it all before". But when I became aware of the encouragement ($$$) and enforcement aspects of Accreditation, I realize it IS different. And I really AM a huge supporter of this group of IBOs - I love 'em to pieces!

However, I would ask one question. In what decade were you running this business? It would seem it was a awhile ago??? Pre Quixtar even?? If that is the case, then your experience in today's Amway has about as much relevance as the new 100PV IBO. In fact, I think your experience, again my questions above withstanding, would actually set you behind today's 100PV IBO, as you would have much more negative to overcome your lack of belief in the Amway business or the system.

I ran the business from '93 to 2003, when it was sold, so I went through the whole transition into Quixtar. According to our Platinum Index in 2003, our "numbers" far exceeded anything Amway put out for the "average IBO". I usually sold about 100-200 PV in retail sales personally each month.

And one thing I guarantee - I have NEVER lacked belief in the Amway Corporation. Angry at them sometimes, yes. But almost all my life, my life has been intertwined with Amway; Amway employees/Amway IBOs/ even a few Amway OWNERS. And there's never been anything negative about ANY of them.

Please don't make assumptions about me?

Um, KICK-A$$ restrain, right there!

I absolutely know my head would have exploded.

Kudos, Deb. Great example!

[Bridgett]

my opinions are based on:
50 years of living with Amway
11 years of running a huge Emeraldship
10+ years of communicating with people who've been screwed by people they wanted to trust
Direct communication with important people at the Corp/IBOAI/IBOs. I live in Amwayland and know people who are very prominent in the Corp. My Grandfather was the President of the Board of Directors for the ADA (IBOAI forerunner) for 12 years - and I don't even know how long my mother was the Executive Director to the ADA. A long time, for sure. So I have heard many, MANY things that I'm not at liberty to discuss - but hellyes, they've certainly influenced my outlook on things.

Your experience in today's Amway has about as much relevance as the new 100PV IBO. In fact, I think your experience, again my questions above withstanding, would actually set you behind today's 100PV IBO.

Wow. That's pretty arrogant.

Ya think?????

Biased? Yes I believe it, which is a huge (or was) a huge problem for you adjusting to the new direction Amway and many systems and IBOs seem to be taking.

Not a huge problem - I was just skeptical at first because I'd "heard it all before". But when I became aware of the encouragement ($$$) and enforcement aspects of Accreditation, I realize it IS different. And I really AM a huge supporter of this group of IBOs - I love 'em to pieces!

However, I would ask one question. In what decade were you running this business? It would seem it was a awhile ago??? Pre Quixtar even?? If that is the case, then your experience in today's Amway has about as much relevance as the new 100PV IBO. In fact, I think your experience, again my questions above withstanding, would actually set you behind today's 100PV IBO, as you would have much more negative to overcome your lack of belief in the Amway business or the system.

I ran the business from '93 to 2003, when it was sold, so I went through the whole transition into Quixtar. According to our Platinum Index in 2003, our "numbers" far exceeded anything Amway put out for the "average IBO". I usually sold about 100-200 PV in retail sales personally each month.

And one thing I guarantee - I have NEVER lacked belief in the Amway Corporation. Angry at them sometimes, yes. But almost all my life, my life has been intertwined with Amway; Amway employees/Amway IBOs/ even a few Amway OWNERS. And there's never been anything negative about ANY of them.

Please don't make assumptions about me?

Um, KICK-A$$ restrain, right there!

I absolutely know my head would have exploded.

Kudos, Deb. Great example!

Very classy.

Deb, I think it's awesome that you have chosen to take the time to contribute here. I find your demeanor quite open-minded. I don't think you're "stuck in the negativity of the past." Otherwise, you wouldn't bother posting here, and giving us IBOs compliments on how we are running our businesses (based on what we say).

I agree.