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Obama Spend O Meter
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Funny Math Doesn't Quite Add Up in response to an earlier incarnation.

Frankly I think anyone who takes the GOP site as a serious source of info on the Democrat position, or vice versa, probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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ibofightback Wrote:Funny Math Doesn't Quite Add Up in response to an earlier incarnation.

Frankly I think anyone who takes the GOP site as a serious source of info on the Democrat position, or vice versa, probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.



While I would absolutely agree with this statement in most cases, this particular page sites references. Most of which are Obama's website itself. It also does not offer any commentary on any of the spending points, just lists them and adds them up. To simply say it isn't a serious source of info, in this case, is wrong I believe.
It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things. --Roosevelt
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Also, that site says the "Spendometer" is mostly accurate.
Quote:the Spend-O-Meter does a reasonably good job of accounting for Obama’s spending proposals.

Another fun fact about that article, is that it only references Obama's spending to the President Bush's current policies. Nothing in the way of comparing it to McCain's policies.

Another fun blurb is this
Quote:For good reason: Tax cuts technically aren’t new spending. But because they reduce government collections, the cuts require corresponding spending cuts in order to be “budget neutral” and not increase the size of the deficit.

This is a mis-statement, at least where Obama's plan is concerned. He won't have to cut anything to be "budget neutral". He will be raising the taxes on those who revenue 250,000/yr. Both businesses and individuals. This is where the money will come from. I believe it is Politifacts that has the funny math.

Obama was recently quoted as saying "I believe we need to spread the wealth around." When asked by a business owner that his plan will cost him more in taxes. Thus sums up Obama's socialistic ideals.
It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things. --Roosevelt
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IMO this belief that taxes and government are essentially bad things is really quite a bizarre view of what makes a functioning society, and the idea that taxes and government services makes something "socialism" is even more bizarre.
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ibofightback Wrote:IMO this belief that taxes and government are essentially bad things is really quite a bizarre view of what makes a functioning society, and the idea that taxes and government services makes something "socialism" is even more bizarre.



When it falls in the realm of something the government should not be handling (health care, etc), it makes perfect sense.
When it requires ANYONE in our society to pay more in taxes than they receive in compensation..it makes perfect sense.
When it gives free handouts to those that pay no federal income taxes to begin with...it makes perfect sense.

No one that I know of is advocating that taxes are not necessary, but in the gross proportion in which we are taxed is unfair and IMO demonstrably unnecessary.
It is only through labor and painful effort, by grim energy and resolute courage, that we move on to better things. --Roosevelt
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And when the economy is in crisis and the countries debt is more than $10 trillion, increasing the taxes from 36% to 39% on some guy buying a >$250,000 profit company is somehow socialism?

Quote:When it falls in the realm of something the government should not be handling (health care, etc), it makes perfect sense.

Why shouldn't a government be involved in health care?

Quote:When it requires ANYONE in our society to pay more in taxes than they receive in compensation..it makes perfect sense.

Unless you have a >100% efficent organisation, which no organisation is, then it's impossible to have everyone pay equal or less in taxes than they "receive in compensation".

Quote:When it gives free handouts to those that pay no federal income taxes to begin with...it makes perfect sense.

So you believe there should be zero welfare?

Quote:No one that I know of is advocating that taxes are not necessary, but in the gross proportion in which we are taxed is unfair and IMO demonstrably unnecessary.

According to a just released OECD study, the US has the third lowest tax in the developed world, with only Mexico and Turkey lower.

I'd be interested in seeing your proof that even that low tax burden is "demonstrably unnecessary".
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ibofightback Wrote:And when the economy is in crisis and the countries debt is more than $10 trillion, increasing the taxes from 36% to 39% on some guy buying a >$250,000 profit company is somehow socialism?


Obama is a socialist running on the democrat platform, just like he did in 96. Running for state office, he asked for and received the endorsement of the New Party, the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA).

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And they, and Obama, advocate that the US Government should own all factories and companies, do they?
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Hang on ... I just reread your post. Your claiming that because the DSA endorsed Obama, that therefore Obama endorses DSA policies?

Ever heard the term non sequitur?
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