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eSpring cartridge technical data
#11
Also finnings in wine (the things you add to make the wine clear) sometimes come from fish, next time you purchase wine read the fine print - very common in wines down here (I make my own from various fruits so I don't tend to buy much) They can use egg shells crushed to a powder, also very fine clay - called bentonite. But I have never been able to work out what the fish product(s) were. Guess from the above comments they were fish bones, turned into carbon and used as a filter.
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#12
THIS has all been interesting!

I've always used Amway's filters because we have naturally-occurring arsenic in our well water in these parts Confusedhock: Plus God-only-knows what else, being in a heavily-farmed area...
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#13
yea, but why don't buy simple RO (osmozis) filter wihc will filter everything as well, and will be 5 times cheaper than eSpring?
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#14
It's my understanding that RO filters (especially at the price range you're talking about) (a) don't remove VOCs (crucial!) (b) are slow © waste a lot of water (d) remove minerals you don't want removed.

Have you got any particular model in mind?
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#15
a - they does remove.
let say:
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we have 6 level RO in our country, and it leaves really nothing else than H2O.

b - ~ok, but eSpring is the same speed. RO has the same size and type of tap for water. so I would say speed ~the same

c - yes, but eSpring has one tube to drainage as well? how much water waste there?

d - yes, but you get much more minerals from food if you eat right. Plus it says that minerals from water is not the ones human body can appropriate, it's much better and easier for huma nbody to get those minerals from meat, vegetables, fruits and etc.

let say new RO has 7 levels:
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and it cost ~500$.

from another point of view about eSpring we can say as well few things which is something disadvantage:
1. UV light kils bacterias and virus - so those killed corpse we drink with water then?
2. carbon filter has surface which tracks and stops those things, everything, but this surface is VERY good area to grow for all bacterias, so then they satrt to produce more bacterias there. OK with new cartrigde, but when you use that for half year... ?
3. price. 1150$ cost price for it means way too much. it shuld be the same price as RO and similar things.
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#16
qqruzaz Wrote:a - they does remove.
let say:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://watertestingblog.com/2010/07/05/water-filter-to-remove-vocs-oils-and-hydrocarbons/">http://watertestingblog.com/2010/07/05/ ... rocarbons/</a><!-- m -->
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we have 6 level RO in our country, and it leaves really nothing else than H2O.


Both of these are links to carbon filters, not reverse osmosis filters.

The first filter has no certification regarding water quality. The promote NSF certification, but this is only for an alloy used in the product.

The second one claims to be certified to NSF standard 42, but is not listed on the NSF website, and this standard is only for "aesthetic effects", ie it makes the water look and smell better. It is not certified for health effects, standard 53. Their flow rate claims are outright unbelievable.

Neither of them even remotely approach the espring 0.2micron filtering capacity, nor do they have any monitoring. The first product actually recommends regularly backwashing to keep it servicable

Quote:b - ~ok, but eSpring is the same speed. RO has the same size and type of tap for water. so I would say speed ~the same

No, Reverse Osmosis filters are well known for problems with water pressure. Many carbon block filters have issues too. Speed is not the same.

Quote:c - yes, but eSpring has one tube to drainage as well? how much water waste there?

espring has no drainage tube, 100% of water used is available for consumption, no waste.

Quote:d - yes, but you get much more minerals from food if you eat right. Plus it says that minerals from water is not the ones human body can appropriate, it's much better and easier for huma nbody to get those minerals from meat, vegetables, fruits and etc.

Not true, though it depends on the mineral. Why would you want to actively remove healthy components?

Quote:let say new RO has 7 levels:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.aquafilter.com/produkt.php?lang=en&g=12&p=59&id=79">http://www.aquafilter.com/produkt.php?l ... p=59&id=79</a><!-- m -->
and it cost ~500$.

No independent testing,

from another point of view about eSpring we can say as well few things which is something disadvantage:
Quote:1. UV light kils bacterias and virus - so those killed corpse we drink with water then?
better than live ones. The last model you gave only claims it "removes some bacteria and viruses" It's impossible to tell what this means as they give no data.

Quote:2. carbon filter has surface which tracks and stops those things, everything, but this surface is VERY good area to grow for all bacterias, so then they satrt to produce more bacterias there. OK with new cartrigde, but when you use that for half year... ?

This is a problem with all carbon filters. All of the competitor systems you have linked to here include carbon filters. The UV filter in the espring destroys virtually all bacteria. None of the other systems have UV filters. The aquafilter claims, with no independent confirmation I can find, to remove 96-99% of contaminants. The espring removes 99.99%, with independent certification of their claims.

Quote:3. price. 1150$ cost price for it means way too much. it shuld be the same price as RO and similar things.

I've been unable to find a price for the aquafilter product. eSpring is $599.99 in the US, not $1150. I'm not sure what you base that price on.

You also need to look at the cost and regularity of replacement filters. Multistage systems require replacement of multiple stages.
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#17
ok, so US price is much better than Poland price. for US price I would have no comlains at all. Smile
then interesting why amway makes so different prices in regions... especially in Poland where people still lives quite poor, bad economy, small salaries etc and filter cost 1150USD Sad
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#18
qqruzaz Wrote:ok, so US price is much better than Poland price. for US price I would have no comlains at all. Smile
then interesting why amway makes so different prices in regions... especially in Poland where people still lives quite poor, bad economy, small salaries etc and filter cost 1150USD Sad


That was a great exchange, though I am happy to hear your prices are too high in Poland.

Mainly because it is a frustrating and legitimate beef; whereas I was starting to wonder if you were a shill for another company... :blackeye:

I seriously hope your prices come down, though I am not too familiar with how that market and the exchanges work...good luck!

Thanks to both of you for drumming-up such great ammo...! :good:
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#19
I've been waiting for some updated software so I can develop and launch amwaypricecomparisons.com so we can track all of this stuff between different countries and competitors. Might have to give up and go with another solution.

What is the IBO price and retail price in zl for the espring in poland?

Worth noting of course that espring actually won a "product of the year" award a few years back when it was launched in poland. That's got to be a selling point!
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#20
Cool info ya'll.

Very beneficial for information. Glad I have an espring. :good:
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