Amway Talk

Amthrax wrote: but the problem is that many IBOs do fear that question.

Yup, some IBOs are. Many in our group just aren't because their excited about it. I've been brought up to be truthful with everything, and I believe it's even more important in the business world to be honest. So I've never used the curiosity approach that became very popular.

Amthrax wrote:The System is given far too much credit when someone succeeds and not enough blame when someone quits and fails.

Most of us understand where these feelings come from. However, regardless as to what industry you are in, you NEED a system to succeed. Many companies provide the system and require their employees to go through it as part of training. Even if there is not a business support system that an IBO pays to use, that IBO will either develop or use someone's system to become successful in their business.

Amthrax wrote:I would much rather see the Amway corporation taking a more active role in teaching and training IBOs on retail selling strategies and other business building techniques.

Then I believe you should pay more attention to many of changes coming out of Ada. More and more multimedia teaching and training materials are being produced for the new year. In all IBO orders the new selling system for the year is being included. The new online education launched last month and will be getting a large amount of lessons added come May.

I had a follow up meeting with a new prospect and he had gotten onto the net and found a couple negative sites. When he started asking about them I asked him what his main concern. He stated that whatever was on those sites, it almost looked like they were two totally different businesses. The corporation is changing how they are doing business for the good and I believe that you'll be rather proud of them.

Early on in my business career while I was still wet behind the ears, I sponsored a new IBO who was referred to me by a mutual friend.

One day while my friend and I were talking, I casually mentioned that there was a special on TV that was being sponsored by Amway. (At this point I hadn’t even offered to show him how the business worked, we were just talking). We chatted for a little while longer when a friend of his joined us.

My friend introduced us to one another and then he said something that totally shocked me. He turned to his other friend and said, "You should talk to Ros, he's in Amway - I think you could do good in it". Wow!

Well, to cut a long story short, I set an appointment to show him the plan and he became one of my first IBOs.

How do you like that? Me a rookie, sponsoring someone purely on the recommendation of someone else who said Amway was good, that he should try it.

Now don't that beat all.

- Ros

Amthrax wrote:IBOs "believe" that the System is the secret to their success. This I believe is a falsehood that's supported by the number of successful Emeralds, Diamonds, and beyond who are no longer in the business.

Sorry, but that's extremely poor logic and even then "the number" supports the opposite. By an extremely large number the percentage of non-system folk no longer in the business greatly exceeds the number of system folk. Most Emeralds and above no longer in the business are no longer in the business for reasons that have nothing to do with working with a system, they're to do with personal reasons (upline clashes), or decisions to go do something else (like Team)

Amthrax wrote:The System is given far too much credit when someone succeeds and not enough blame when someone quits and fails.

I've never heard of a single case where "following the system" has resulted in quitting in failure. Somebody over-pushing tool purchases beyond once financial capaictiy, yes, but that's not following any system I'm aware of

IBOFB - You and I both know that I have a dim view on the System. I would much rather see the Amway corporation taking a more active role in teaching and training IBOs on retail selling strategies and other business building techniques.

Which is just replacing multiple tailored systems for one monolithic system. You're still running a system. So you can't say on the one hand it's a bad idea, on the other hand it's a good idea

In conclusion, I'm just offering my two cents on this topic. Consider or ignore, it has no impact on me which way you decide.

Denying an Amway connection is clearly wrong. Ignoring a major component of what you're offering is just as clearly wrong.

ibofightback wrote:Which is just replacing multiple tailored systems for one monolithic system. You're still running a system. So you can't say on the one hand it's a bad idea, on the other hand it's a good idea

I've only had one or two people that didn't understand what the support system was for. I'm not sure how many of us realize how many systems we take part in on a daily basis. The only difference between us and regular indentured slave-dom, I mean, servants, is the companies will provide the system at no cost to the employee. There are few salary and hourly employees who have to pay for business support. We on the other hand have to eventually somewhere along the line. It just depends on who you decide to buy from.

I really like what Rich deVos said when he stated that you don't have to stick with your upline for encouragement and education. Sometimes you and your upline don't mesh, so your downline needs to go elsewhere to reach their goals. They need a different method/system of doing business. It's really sad that people criticize these organizations (and some rightly so), because this just adds one more layer of complexity, flexibility, and benefits for the IBO. There is NO WAY that I could get the personal/business development from so many different groups outside of Amway. It would be just too expensive! Even John C. Maxwell charges nearly $200/head for his seminars and World Wide gets him for THREE DAYS! World Wide Leadership Weekend is $160! And then some of the speakers will even have special packages, like BOGOs. Oh, I love BOGOs! lol

Oh, and as a side not to Amthrax. Amway is going back to a lot of corporate led training. I just noticed the online training site was updated with TONS of new training material. It's awesome!

IBOFB - You and I both know that I have a dim view on the System. I would much rather see the Amway corporation taking a more active role in teaching and training IBOs on retail selling strategies and other business building techniques.

Which is just replacing multiple tailored systems for one monolithic system. You're still running a system. So you can't say on the one hand it's a bad idea, on the other hand it's a good idea

There's a crucial difference between these two systems that I feel you are missing.

1. An Amway System's primary goal is to train IBOs to sell more of its products, Artistry, Nutrilite, etc.
2. An AMO System's goal is to train IBOs to buy more of its products, tapes, CDs, books, and function tickets.

Ask yourself this question. If you only had $25 left at the end of the month, would you:

a) Buy a CD/Book/Meeting Ticket
b) Buy a box of XXX (insert named Amway coreline product here) and sell it for $35?

What option would an Amway System or AMO System encourage you to do?

Pardon for droppin in abruptly,

But in my, my upline & LOS & system's opinion you should go for the Business Volume a.k.a PV - in the case mentioned by amthrax.

But, Honestly why are system's being hammered so much??
Maybe this is a stupid question, but being in N21 for an appriciable amount of time makes me really curious. And my folks have been associated with N21 longer than me, so I'm really curious about the hammering systems take...
and maybe

Amthrax,

With all due respect, your experience is OLD and LIMITED.

You were part of ONE LOA (INA, was it?) over a DECADE ago.

As someone part of WWDB, NOW in 2009, my experience of WWDB in action and in spirit does match yours in the slightest.

And, I agree that this is

We were/are talking about the unnecessary fear IBOs have of the "Is this Amway?" question...

Amthrax wrote:1. An Amway System's primary goal is to train IBOs to sell more of its products, Artistry, Nutrilite, etc.
2. An AMO System's goal is to train IBOs to buy more of its products, tapes, CDs, books, and function tickets.

Maybe in whatever "system" you were running. Not in any system I associate with. As is mentioned ad nauseum over and over again, we get paid for PV.

Amthrax wrote:Ask yourself this question. If you only had $25 left at the end of the month, would you:

a) Buy a CD/Book/Meeting Ticket
b) Buy a box of XXX (insert named Amway coreline product here) and sell it for $35?

What option would an Amway System or AMO System encourage you to do?

I doubt anyone would recommend spending someones last $25 on BSM other than perhaps as hyperbole to make a point. I very very very much doubt it would happen in counseling, which is the only place direct and specific advice is generally supplied.

But personally in the situation I also certainly wouldn't recommend (b) that's for sure. Probably much more sensible in that situation to market the products, get the $35 and then order it and use the $25 for something else.

Bridgett wrote:We were/are talking about the unnecessary fear IBOs have of the "Is this Amway?" question...

On a couple of the blogs, including Amthrax's, the "critics" are having a field day claiming "Yes, I'm contracted with Amway" constitutes lying and deceiving people and hiding the Amway name if you also mention you work with a support system.

Amway IBO: Yes, I'm an American, I'm from Ohio
Amway Critic: So, you deny you're American then! Liar!

Seems more than one thought at a time is too hard for some to cope with .....