Amway Talk

Dwight David wrote:Hello Beans,

Welcome to the business. I agree with the others about avoiding the negative sites. Especially since you are new and don't have a lot of knowledge yet that would allow you to recoginze truth from fiction. Stick with the positive material. You will find a lot of that here on the threads related to the Amway business. There are other threads that have a more non-business theme and things can get kind of heated on those threads as we all have differing political/religous/personal opinions.

The only other thing I can think of to say is don't load yourself down with a lot of books/cd's etc. that you don't have the extra money to really afford. Your upline probably has books/cd's etc. that you can borrow for a while to get you motivated. As you start making money, then you can afford to invest in your own material. The public library is a good place to get motivational books to read by authors like Zig Ziglar, Stephen Covey,, John Maxwell and others.

Wish you all the best in this business. God Bless!

Dwight

Great points Dwight

TB 2 IBO wrote:

This will go against what you are taught by your upline but THINK FOR YOURSELF!

Be careful with statements like this from folks that either have never been an IBO or do not have what you want (ie. a failed business).

Also, beans, if you are going to divide advice between those who have "failed" and those who have succeeded, find out if the people you are listening to have actually succeeded. If they have are operating a failing business, their advice may not be worth as much as you think.

The fact that people talk a good game and continue to pay the $50 IBO renewal fee does not necessarily mean that they are successful.

If they are telling you that you can be financially free in a certain period of time, find out how long THEY have been in the business. Find out if they did it in that period of time. And find out how many people in their group have done what they are saying. Don't let them get away with putting you off saying that they heard of some guy on the West Coast who sponsored someone in Texas who just broke a high level pin in a short period of time.

Ask to see bonus checks. Ask to see their 1099s.

Money talks. BS walks.

MichMan wrote:Money talks. BS walks.

So I hear ... but you're still here!

ibofightback wrote:

MichMan wrote:Money talks. BS walks.

So I hear ... but you're still here!

Amway just sent out year end documents for tax purposes.

How much was yours? And after all expenses, did you make a profit?

Let your money do the talking.

yup. Did pretty much nothing, and they still sent me money every month. I call that a profit

Well thanks everyone, this has all been very helpful, and I'm in the US.

MichMan wrote:Also, beans, if you are going to divide advice between those who have "failed" and those who have succeeded, find out if the people you are listening to have actually succeeded. If they have are operating a failing business, their advice may not be worth as much as you think.

The fact that people talk a good game and continue to pay the $50 IBO renewal fee does not necessarily mean that they are successful.

I would agree with this statement. That is why I referenced talking with and counseling with a GROWING upline.

If they are telling you that you can be financially free in a certain period of time, find out how long THEY have been in the business. Find out if they did it in that period of time. And find out how many people in their group have done what they are saying. Don't let them get away with putting you off saying that they heard of some guy on the West Coast who sponsored someone in Texas who just broke a high level pin in a short period of time.

This is just a way for people to make excuses for failure in this business. Beans, your personal success has ZERO to do with the success or lack thereof of the person who sponsors you. It is up to YOU to take responsibility to achieve success. Using other people's experiences is vital to helping you get there...no doubt...but it is up to you. Similarly, the success of people you bring into this business will have ZERO to do with your success or the lack thereof. Everyone who starts this business comes in with a certain amount of baggage and to dump that baggage takes time. Some folks take longer than others as well as different people have different definitions of what "success" is for them personally.

Ask to see bonus checks. Ask to see their 1099s.

This is the dumbest idea, see the above statement. When you go to college, do you ask to see the 1099s of your professors, or the checks they receive in the particular field you are studying? When you get job, do you ask to see the 1099s of coworkers or your boss? Give me a break!

Money talks. BS walks.

Compassion, ambition, vision, personal responsibility, experience and other people's experiences talk and it is what makes money. Nothing else.

TB 2 IBO wrote:

MichMan wrote: Ask to see bonus checks. Ask to see their 1099s.

This is the dumbest idea, see the above statement. When you go to college, do you ask to see the 1099s of your professors, or the checks they receive in the particular field you are studying? When you get job, do you ask to see the 1099s of coworkers or your boss? Give me a break!

I don't think asking to see one's professor's, one's boss', or one's co-worker's income statements, is a fair comparison to asking to see an Upline's. Seems to be comparing apples to oranges.

I don't know if it's the dumbest idea to see Uplline's info. I do think there is validity in "checking the fruit on the tree" of those from whom you are taking advice.

I wouldn't put pressure on a non-Platinum to have to show their bonus checks and 1099s, but one should also, if they are actively building, be counceling with a Platinum or above, anyway. Right?

I've had my upline share copies of their checks. Doesn't seem to really help much, though. Those that are gonna quit anyway, I show them the checks and they just move the puck to some other reason why they no longer wanna pursue this endeavor.

well, it doesn't make logical sense in terms of how the business works, but if you have belief issues, either in whether the business actually works or your upline is making claims about their income and your skeptical, then it's fair enough. But it has to be a fair question and to the right person.

Bridgett wrote:I don't think asking to see one's professor's, one's boss', or one's co-worker's income statements, is a fair comparison to asking to see an Upline's. Seems to be comparing apples to oranges.

Perhaps not your boss. Surely your professors in college though. Are you not relying on them, in much the same way you would an upline for guidance, mentorship? The only difference I see is that the professors do not have a vested interest in your success--in most cases.

I don't know if it's the dumbest idea to see Uplline's info. I do think there is validity in "checking the fruit on the tree" of those from whom you are taking advice.
I wouldn't put pressure on a non-Platinum to have to show their bonus checks and 1099s, but one should also, if they are actively building, be counceling with a Platinum or above, anyway. Right?

I believe I mentioned this...twice.

I've had my upline share copies of their checks. Doesn't seem to really help much, though. Those that are gonna quit anyway, I show them the checks and they just move the puck to some other reason why they no longer wanna pursue this endeavor.

Exactly!!